The Most Expensive Bike In The Tour de France? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 81

welcome to the gcn tech show this week we've got the truth about how that team in EOS bike snapped in half team de Curnutt quick step we've been spotted riding ebikes at the Tour de France naughty your upgrades the bike vault plus our main talking point how expensive a Tour de France bikes and John's lost his voice because he was at the Cricket World Cup final and he was screaming a lot true story last week we talked about tech trends and this year's tour of France and this goddess thinking how much does a Tour bike cost these days and which team has the most expensive bikes yeah and I cycling it has to be said is taking more and more developments from the world of motorsports and Formula One races and well from that industry it's always the most souped-up car or the best engine always seems to win yeah and well the tech in sailing sailing is all about having the best boat as well but I mean it's cycling you have to say it's not so simple because essentially the rider the athlete is the engine yeah I mean I remember she my dad saying to me that in 1987 Stephen Roche he could have won the Triple Crown in cycling such the giro d'italia the Tour de France and the World Championships which he did on board a butchers bike I mean he I don't think he could actually have done that but there is a certain sentiment around that saying isn't that yeah well I mean I guess he's right because you can have the most aerodynamic bike in the world one that performs amazing in winter conditions and and labs and stuff but if you gave that bike to me then I probably still wouldn't well I wouldn't win the Tour de France he can't you can't turn a donkey into a racehorse job or a toilet into a castle as that I believe they say in Denmark do they yeah top of the range bikes well can't cost a lot of money but there is large development costs that go into that so for a top-of-the-range bike that would be ridden by you know Tour de France riders you've got the initial CAD computer-aided design engineer development costs where they draw up on a computer then they run CFD computational fluid dynamic simulations to test how Aero it is then they'll build a prototype of that and take it into the tunnel to see well if it actually is aerodynamic in real life as well as on a computer additive manufacturing yeah a really that takes a long time as well know what's in the helmet industry to 3d print a bike helmet can take days yeah and but then also they also look at the layup and they often do computer simulations on engineering software to see where the best orientation of fiber we'll be for the carbon and what types of carbon and then again they build prototypes to check that in real life then they build the final product the good thing is though is although this can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and pounds to to develop that then is something that is not just written by the pros it's something that we can buy as well so that manufacturing cost is but a development cost is shared for that with the consumers as well but also technicals down so although it may only initially be available on the top-end super expensive stuff give it a few years and it's on the more you know affordable really yeah you know that's the easy way of saying yeah we thought we see that with everything yeah trickle-down tech is you know ten years ago that your race is like today's 105 in fact no 105 now is better than 10 years ago to race yeah definitely more gears yeah what's not to like right okay so any we have topped it up the retail cost haven't where for various pro teams bikes ahead the hair we've added on you know their wheels and power meters where we can and well the results we've done the prices in pounds we're gonna run through that but on the screen there will also be the prices in dollars and euros they say here yeah we haven't had breaks it just yet we are gonna include 2 euros about Zimbabwean dollars don't know the screens not big enough although digits it's a big old thing there sorry Zimbabwe right okay gone starts off then right so looking at Trek Sega Fredo's bikes the trek Madan SLR 9 is more expensive than the than the Oman dry believes only just slightly yeah but with eat app if you were to get that in a race limited by then you're looking at about eleven thousand pounds by eleven thousand of fifty pounds for one of those but scary if you look at like Balcom malama and when Richie Porte they've got custom painted ones now that the custom painting is hard to get an exact price for because it varies on the paint job that you get from project one from track but you can envisage that there's a probably a fair amount of money put on that on that maybe yeah a little premium oh yeah maybe as much as fifteen hundred pounds we could possibly say as it concerns yeah there's a pricey paint job yeah it's case you then start to get towards twelve and a half thousand pounds roughly I'd say that all right moving on then specialized s works Venge second collection so we're gonna go with Bora hands grower I don't think he actually rides a bike from his own collection I think it's an extra bit of money but well it doesn't normally have a fancy paint job so we can factor that in that comes in at ten thousand two hundred and fifty pounds again yeah yeah that's quite an easy one to price up again with the trek because they use all their own parts so they've got the operator wheels wheels anything it's what you buy is what the pros right yes they use the same saddles the same wheels and ties everything yeah but then if we move on to BMC BMC premium brand I see bikes a dimension data looking at three thousand seven hundred for the time machine frame set which is what what Cavendish –n yep then three thousand six hundred and fifty four pounds for dura-ace di2 although there are slight changes there in terms of the user wrote to twin power no see chain but these are all approximately you know ballpark figures bear with is yeah wheels they's envy which are Fancy Pants wheels and you're looking about 3,300 pounds a set retail price of those so you're basically getting to approximately again eleven thousand pounds of bike there's quite a lot yeah you know people always the people often ask me I said about you they go how it you know how much of those bikes and you don't really know to you just well yeah five you know I always have five thousand pounds what they ride but then let's move on then to if it's if it's like the dodgy man by the bus shelter in Doncaster Town Center Oh hundred quid Halfords you know you don't want to say anyway big dogs know right okay yeah pin around f12 x-lite so this is the top of the pops bike from kinder a brand new isn't it you got to look at one yeah X like little bit lighter different lay up in carbon and everything frame alone six nice and 200-pound groups there again three six five four wheels remember they're using those lightweights my lunchtime bomb I just don't think they're they Obermeyer so I didn't factor that in when I did this because well we don't wanna go too overboard anyway total price because also you got to put their integrated handlebar and stem on there and tires sad all those sorts of things you're looking about fourteen thousand six hundred pounds for Team Sky spikes yeah they are the team of marginal games that are nearly fifteen grand yeah wow that's a lot yeah is your voice all right Lee yeah stuff you've got a career in premium rate chat I think anyway well another team that's right up there is is some web with s of l OS five so I was written by Michael Matthews he's doing quite well in the points competition in the tort of France now the S five disc frame set four thousand two hundred and ninety nine pounds for that he then got the Shimano wheels on there which you know the C 60s the arrow will very very nice very pricey wheels but one thousand two hundred and ninety pounds for the rear wheel resale 1,114 over the front so that brings it up to about ten thousand seven hundred pounds roughly but how's it going up there you may ask ah well that well so quick yeah head is thinking well we add on the group set again Shimano dura-ace di2 they're sponsored West Romanus three thousand six hundred quid and then well if we add on the the four grand paint job that we spoke about yep that adds about twenty twenty grams in weight that's yeah Formula One paint that we spoke about in last week's show yeah that ramps it up pretty quick yeah yeah yeah so so ya know it goes up so what fourteen thousand four hundred pounds roughly yes they're pretty much the most expensive with that paint job let's take it back down to a more reasonable level yeah I think so once a group coupe go back a team who are always in the breakaway a Tour de France I absolutely loved watching the race there you know they don't hide anything today I'll just go disco all right anyway so there Cube lightning they use various different bikes if their main sins and all the flats lightning that's their area by commit seven and a half thousand pounds yeah half the price yeah after pastor price but well also Canyon ultimate CF SLX right and that's been was a world champion spike to pee boy no riding only yeah so you've got to share Alps in and also movie star both ride Canyon including world champion Valverde we've got a pro bike video on that roughly 6,500 pounds yeah I'll get you a bike that is pro bike standard yeah a tour de france by sunglass mean yeah it's it's incredible you know that disparity there between yeah you know the top 15 sore ground and then there is that's it okay i guess though what we got to think about as well with this is that those bikes like the most expensive ones i've only just been released silently yeah yeah so there's something you know in that as well yeah but there's two we think they were lower than that still yeah it's all reckon that's squirrel of as you desire Lomond yeah there Eddy Merckx five to five bikes they're actually racing with a Shimano integrity I two groups now remember at the start the year they started racing on campaign you know super record yes and suddenly they just changed I don't know what happened there using Maverick wheels we're just an entire stuff like that I reckon their bikes or about at 5,000 pounds so I mean you know the price is I'm pretty close now with some sedan which it sort of yeah so yeah it's there we are but there is one out there which could be even less couldn't we're not we're not entirely sure but right someone commented when we did a video talking about the new Cannondale super six Evo that can Dale doesn't appear to be making the rim brake version of the new bike in a high mod they only have the disparate version hover but several of the pros including Rigoberto around and Mike woods at EF education first arriving the rim brake bike which suggests that unless there's something we don't know they're riding the regular super six not the high mod souped-up mega layer premium not right yeah so they're right in the regular Super Six Evo frame in the new Super Six Evo which you can get with all tegra on for 2499 so you know ad/hd I bet you're a sales and stuff so we don't know exactly what it could be yeah it could be around about five thousand yeah or and I reckon you could get one for you build it for under five grand yeah which is pretty pretty impressive yeah so we're looking at about fifteen thousand pounds for the most expensive out there that's up other pops all-singing all-dancing brand new just released bikes and then down to well five thousand yeah several big big range yeah in percentage yeah massive I've got to say the prices of bikes they did actually tumble in around mid 90s the late nineties particularly around the aluminium frames because we started to important from the Far East prior to that it was something of a luxury to have a bike made out of that material but these days though teams are searching for I'm gonna say it wait for it brace yourselves margin things and they are seeking the ultimate in performance aren't they yeah and you know if you look for example at team in EOS riding the f12 it's a bike that as we've mentioned previously in the in the thing is how the huge amount of development cost go into it and so some of the expense can be attributed to that but what can't be argued is the success that the well the f10 pride the f12 and I mean if you look at when we did our you know our video of the most successful bikes the peloton that has consistently been the most successful bike in terms of the number of them that are being raised relative to the number of wins it scores and there's something in that I mean yeah you'd imagine that considering that partnership has gone on for so long that team any else formally sky I would would say that it's you know sponsorship well budget well spent I guess in terms of the relationship that's there but even even though 15 grand is a huge amount of money to spend on a bike I think it's really interesting that the pros in the Tour de France the best in the world and not riding the most expensive road bikes available to humanity because well when we did our previous tech show about building that hypothetical most expensive bike I was well yeah we showed it could be about 30 grand or more for a bike we should redo it I think we could make it more expensive yeah we could but but yeah you know 30 grand or more and the difference with f1 is that those guys bar ride of layout driving the most expensive cars available because they have to pry include all the development cost of that car and they're not sold to the public we can't buy f1 cars those costs are not being shared no the development cost is shared with the public because we can buy the same bike the Tour de France rider is on and in that sense I guess little bit more like touring cars you know I do like a touring like a production cars that are kind of suit oh yeah yes exactly but you know all these bikes you know I reckon there are bikes either they've been using the Tour de France that are definitely more expensive than these first up Pinarello sword miguel indurain back in the early to mid nineties that thing that was probably only two or three of them made that thing must have been that must have cost a fortune to make back then Lotus 110 Superbike that's gonna cost a fortune as well there was I think 260 of those made but then I bet you that Borman and his powers had some special ones and then what about okay this one it wasn't worth it in my opinion but it's sold for a ridiculous amount of money that Shrek Madonn that Armstrong used yeah after one of those Tour de France wins it has butterfly wings under the lacquered in it because they wants to use genuine butterfly wings so it the Sun would shimmer off of them beautifully yeah not sure I think about that really cuz I've got a lot of butterflies in my Garza piece of art John yeah that one that one went for half a million dollars but was probably worth about $5,000 wasn't it but we want to know what you think about the cost of pro bikes in the in the Tour de France do you think that there should be a sort of sky's the limit you can have like a 30 grand mega bike the Tour de France or do you think maybe we should go down a limit of say five grand you've got five grand spend on your bike but you're putting the wheels to put it in the frame and let the pros own the app are only allowed five grand what we've got a hope for I think in terms of the professionals is that no one from the UCI is watching this right now anything that's a really good idea let's implement that from next year because we will suddenly be hated we should we should be funny what would we build for five okay but please do get involved in the comments I actually love reading them and yeah don't give me too much abuse about my voice this week time now for more tech and the dicker neck quick-step team were spotted riding ebikes at the Tour de France naughty no don't worry John it was on the rest day and it was some new ebikes that have been launched by specialized that's why they were they were doing it so they've got three new e bike models the creo SW the creo SL expert and the creo SL expert Pro Evo or something like that yeah by the way they all come with specialized future shock systems so it's gonna smooth out the ride at the front end member so again he used that denieth to win parry Roubaix you did yeah it's just good little bit of kit on that and if you want a little bit more comfort on there to the expert Evo even comes with a dropper seat post and 38 millimeter tyres so essentially it's a gravelly bike yeah what's cool is all e-bike not gravelly bike so we've got dura-ace di2 and all tapered EIT fitted on there but interestingly when paired up with Shimano's xt our mountain bike components like one by drivetrains yeah well on their which is which is pretty it's quite a strange move to make yeah no front legs 11:42 and stuff like that but yeah maybe one buys the future who knows only got disc brakes by the way so you rim brake lovers out there you won't be able to get a hold of one battery 320 Watts that was on it so enough to keep you smashing up those climbs Ollie and if you run outta juice not so worried because you can even get a batch extender which fits into a bottle cage mine either yeah it's not not the most discreet thing I guess so you can't go fooling any air makes and I reckon but that simply has little wire and plugs into the down chute where the battery is and well Bob's your uncle you can get another hundred and sixty what hours out of it nice now another big story from the Tour de France last week was the sight of the team in the AH spike of Johnny moss gone into pieces yeah and yeah a lot of chat about this on social media and the perception was that it had snapped in half when Garant omus had landed on it however more than life it's not every rider is it ya know however Cosmo Catalano from how the race was won fame has he's pieced together the evidence and actually come up with what appears to have actually happened so there's footage of one of the commissaries cars approaching the bike as it's on the ground you can see the bike in one piece and this is after Garant AMA says landed on it at which point then you hear a crunch as the car travels past which suggests that the car drove over which makes a lot more sense than skinny little Garant ominous London yeah and there are pictures of Guerin Thomas landing on it as well where it doesn't appear to be snapping under G's wait no yeah however if you do want a bike which doesn't get broken under the weight of a car the cook precision magnesium road bike which is been featured on the show a few times actually I got to check one name when I checked out that Lotus bike there was one just around the corner and it was on Blue Peter once which is a children's television program in Great Britain and a lorry drove over and it didn't break it in half but it was extremely heavy and they broke in other areas right all of that aside we've got some more tech more news in the tech world only because Mavic has been solved yes that's right Mavic has been sold by its parent company armored sports to a private equity firm Regent LP in a statement released by armored sports they had say as part of our strategy we continue to focus of the group portfolio and capabilities towards areas of faster growth Bretta profitability scalability over the past cycle we've concluded that we are not the best owner for Mavic which only represented approximately three percent of our sales which has distinct business drivers and little synergies versus the broader group we believe that the iconic Mavic brand has strong potential which would be better realized as part of regent armored sports continues to capitalize on its strategic priorities especially soft goods direct consumer China and the states and that came from Armour sports president and CEO hi ketta Callum mmm they're having some Envy though have they no they haven't it looks like they're probably going to I would say based on that statement but we'll see as yes they also own envy yeah Spanish bike brand BH have shown a new bike ahead of the 2020 official launch I guess and well it's already being used at this year's Tour de France my friend of the channel Andre Greipel of Archaea Sam sick yeah it looks cool doesn't it says the g8 disc it's replacing the g7 it's said to be about 20 grams lighter than the g7 and it also has this really interesting head tube has kind of shaped like an egg timer yes nice knit yeah it's a cool design yeah it's fully integrated with the cables and hoses as you would expect and I've already said 20 grams lighter so it's a narrow bike so we don't need to worry too much about weight there but integration is obviously still key for every brand out there they look better and finally this week the Italian shoe brand physique has released a new special version of its tempo r5 shoe it's called the tempo r5 Paris 1969 and it's a really cool blend of modern and retro so you've got kind of like well modern tech touches in there built into like a retro styled package yeah so many ways loads of people out there I think desire don't they because some sums like shoes can be a bit bit too bling really yeah it's almost have like a really understates shoe but still have great performance gains you know that sort of thing anyway these shoes so it's got trickle-down tech essentially he's got a composite sole so instead of a full-on carbon fiber but you've also got a boa dial on this and no laces to worry about like the originals were back in 1969 it's got some 70s in inspired zigzag pads and the black and gold always think that looks good mines with a Lotus JPS Formula One car yeah the one technology I do like that the styling keys on there yes cool yeah wouldn't want to pair those size 44 please it's now time for screw riding upgrades fire upgrades where you submit evidence of the upgrades that you've made to your bikes or equipment for a bid to win the ultimate prize the gcn Camelbak Eddy water bottle I don't know where it's gone no I don't know someone someone gets lower than it because it's such a hot prize exactly anyway someone's getting well and truly hydrated because it is boiling right now in Great Britain anyway last week we had a hotly contested contest it was between Jack and Francisco now you remember Jack's bike it was a vintage I'll rally build and it was probably built in somewhere where you used to live who's used to live in the factory or there was some some weird story about you squatting or something I'll save that for another time exactly just like the Chris de Burgh performing in announce the car park we've still not heard that well I'm sure anyways Francisco who had a very messy bedroom Stroke workshop did yeah yeah anyway winning with a whopping 74% of votes was Jack so if there's anything that we can take from this make your bed inside of your bed yeah yeah that is the that's the lesson that's the moral of the story Jack get in contact with us on Facebook to arrange delivery of that water bottle yeah anyway this week the first contender is Eric so Eric traded a box of beer for this old photo frame good train yeah the paint job was pretty bad so he decided to strip it right back and make clean he first removed all the paint work then sprayed some clear coat layers on added a few parts from his garage that he had laying around and the few bits he didn't have he bought the last of all Eric added a front rack that he welded onto the forks skills and this is the end that's what it was here oh and he's welded the ass – yes Weldon that tell you all this flashy Perry wheels oh nice and the eyes oh that's a gherkin again carrot Eric carries his beer on that front when I train did it you been drinking that like you would go buy his beer got a little rainbow things no that's quite nice doing this joking that's homemade out of some insulation tape I reclass know what he's got bail on those well I think that it's great I'd love to ride around town on that I'd love to see you ride up the Croce Donny in Italy oh yeah actually Oh like we made you do before we'd be easier than on that and the bike that you gave me you know about that right who's Eric up against this week then well Eric is up against the not very french-sounding Barney he was from party rubble yeah sorry pal Eric Hayes from Xiamen e on France and this is his moto became oh nice so Barney bought his motor we can offer friend as a town commuter and there were parts on it that was starting to break and fail so Barney decided to upgrade the bike he decided the cheapest option to upgrade the bike was to turn it into a fixing and the simplest as well classic but living in Xiamen II I mean maybe not the most sensible idea unless he's super strong yeah but you're not gonna be traveling outside of chemin E that's for sure if anyone's unaware show me he's a ski resort yeah I mean skiing skiing down from cycling down from Xiamen e on a fixie well you're a braver man than me Barney here you go so that's that's what it started out us that's me and that's a nice bike I think I left it that's a nice bike as it is and then whoa there we go I mean I preferred the older wheels and tires right yeah is very tidy I like that I like that the Brooks saddle classic classic design bars aren't my taste but I like how he's matched the bar tape yeah saddle party-wise yeah so who's it gonna be I mean when we saw that the second picture we were both absolutely gutted to say that I liked it how it's done yeah yeah it's John yeah really good right you decide every time now my favorite part of the show the bike vault why do we do it the funny accent I don't know if you submit pictures of your bikes and then me and John judged them as to be either super nice or nice if they're super nice we ring the bell yeah dude that my ring in this week's I've gotta be the source right um do you know what right last week in the comments yeah everyone was like there's no consistency in the bike vote they were giving us so much grief it's brilliant like I said sorry the rules are we write the rules and we change the rules we make the rules we make the rules up right okay first submission this week is Kyle ink from telic behind am in Penang in Malaysia I've got all of that wrong apologies Kai this is Istanbul anter antenori in Columbus xcr to be such a steal bike oh that's nice there's a nice little bike it is but I I mean I love that he's got camper you see if many companies got the Borah wheels on there as well match in the campai group sir nice physique subtle color of eye looks good as harden it yeah he's taking his bottle cages out he's lined up his wheels got the crank set perfectly going Zack not in not in the biggest moles not in the been brought back into the bath fault this week I think we can let biggie smalls go girls go we can make you small slide yeah yeah on this occasion because I think everything else is is ticking the boxes yeah for me that's a super nice yeah I think for me too it looks like a beautiful area as well yeah so kite invite his answer Malaysia mate right then who we got next Dali next we've got Stuart who's from Warwick in the UK right and this is his s-works tarmac disc sl6 moneymaker that it's nice to it Ram Reddy eat up yes crank position could have been better could have been better a position to could have been better yep I like his little Vico cages is the early stages he's looks like he's got very smart with the wheel because they got the flip shifters and if the bar tape looks like it in a sort of trigger position yeah he's taking some inspiration from Mark Cavendish there that's where he has his little di to biggie smalls we've got a biggie biggie smalls is in the house adding us I think that's pretty good again not not perfect how's it pro oh I see why they he's crank position yeah cuz he's leaning up with his pedal yes yeah the game's the the grass verge there I think that's a super nice up yeah he's super nice to yeah yeah great looking buy a shoe right then the next one is tip at the top of the monthlies on Kalon we're the trip domani disc general that buyer looks familiar yeah I suppose I've seen that around I'm pretty sure I've seen that around barf actually yeah where were you where I mean I super nice definitely a super nice nice at this point first let's definitely pick it apart as we do sometimes it's a doozy air bottles good at GCM bottles I mean come on superb it's steer out their point you up stemmed saddlebag on there I've been taking that off really it isn't the biggie smalls as you like to call it yeah crank position poor yeah valve caps are off okay do you know I think I've sick it's your landlords bunk that isn't it my landlord Tim yeah this is super nice though isn't it is definite lies that if everybody's the most super nice by I think I've ever seen is your tenancy coming up from the New Orleans me as a super nice guess this is super nice Tim yeah kick him out on the final entry this week comes from Chris in Arcadia Wisconsin US of A and well he's got a picture of his m48 Patton main battle tank which was designed and built in the USA saw service from 1953 right through to the 1992 the US Army of course named after General George S pattern it's still in service with Armed Forces today throughout the world speeds of up to 30 miles an hour from that legendary air-cooled v12 engine 29 litre petrol engines 810 brake horsepower and 1950 Newton meters of torque talkin know those ones were originally petrol but then they were converted to diesel around about 1968 1969 correct also main armament there is a 90 millimeter cannon with a mother velocity of 3,800 meters per second pokey rapid also secondary armament 50 caliber machine gun mounted on the turrets and within this hurry as well as also a 7.62 millimeter m67 machine gun as well just staying with that turret on if I'm not mistaken I think there was a 1 million candlepower search like then on search like on top of that to target indeed there was and still in service with the Turkish army well for me Ali that that's they're being super nice I mean the turret we could have had more of that and shop brilliant yeah super nice more by pole next week right end of the show time we hope you've enjoyed it I hope you get better for play something next week with your premium chat voice and if you'd like to support the channel then please subscribe to GCN tech if you haven't already and also click the little bell icon that's important it gives us a know it gives you a notification when we upload new videos and also you can head over to the GCM shop or we've got our cool France themed merch on sale at the moment so I quite like sits a bit Kraftwerk yes yeah I do like that yeah the 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22 thoughts on “The Most Expensive Bike In The Tour de France? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 81

  1. When you are a cyclist, but also a war thunder/ World of Tanks player: is a GCN presenter and tells the specs of the Patton

  2. Hey John and Ollie,
    It would be great if you could do a Tech show making the lightest bike, or most aerobike, or whatever the category with no price limit. Also you could do a Tech show on the best bike you could get for £5000 the price of the TdF bike.

  3. 25:18 How do you guys not recognize the rainbow tape as the world championship stripes in the “Screw Upgrades, Buy Upgrades” segment?

  4. I like watching pros ride bikes i could never afford, much like a movie star date a model i could never meet. But what amazes me is how i see a kid working on a farm and can't afford an expensive bike ride older steel bikes yet can keep up with me on the road while i ride a moderately priced giant defy. I can only imagine how he would do on a high end expensive ride.

  5. I saw a video where told that Sagan's last years Venge bike is size 56, but actually custom made for him rather off the shelf size 56. That is, even splashing 13k for a bike, you probably wont get get the most ideal fit, unless you are very lucky being one. So either way, custom made bike could cost alot more…

  6. The truth is when you ride this very expensive road bikes they are not that comfortable to ride compare to a steel frame road bike and you make them lighter just buy the top of the line parts and accessory 10 kgs bike is already light. with the price of this bike I can already buy a nice car.

  7. I DEFINITELY believe that there should be a price limit on the bikes teams use. It will even out the playing field, and create more excitement in the action.without necessarily increasing the action involved.

    Of course, we should also limit the number of times and places a bike could be reconfigured within the price limit during a race, as well.

  8. you could also put a normal person in the best race cars and race motorcycles in the world and the pro driver/rider will beat them on a lesser car and factory motorcycle. That's been shown many times, so the human factor is important

  9. Weight limit works fine. Price limit sound complicated. There are so many more factors in Le Tour than the bikes price and its applications. If any changes why not try a 6.3kg weight limit and see how it goes. No one got killed by a disc brake so far…

  10. Pinarello belongs to LVHM, the owner of Louis Vuitton . That maybe the reason , why it is so expensive. Pinarello is a luxury item, a status symbol .

  11. I find it hard to believe that the DOGMA F12 was broken by a car since the wheels are in one place!!!! Fills like a coverup for trying to make a super lightweight aero bike

  12. Can't believe you gave that tank a Super Nice. It was pictured front on (how do you know if it was in the biggie smalls?) and partially obscured by some bike. Where's the consistency, dammit ?

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